cost. your new tea party confederates will succeed? >> to this extent, we'll get the debt ceiling increase and barack obama will have to go to his democratic party and say to them, look, we got $1 trillion in cuts or $2 trillion in budget cuts, spending program, the programs we love. no revenues or new taxes. you're going to have a war inside your own party, because you're going to have lost this battle. >> let me ask you, david, i don't agree with that. that whole proposition is troublemaking. i think you're suggesting a deal that won't be cut. david, do you think the president of the united states and democrat, would ever cut a deal all spending cuts on the domestic side and no increases in revenue? could we ever make a deal like that? >> chris, i was on a call, on the record conference call, with the white house this afternoon, with dan pfeiffer and jason fuhrman, and i asked him that question. can there be any package without revenues? the president's position, he talked about last week, no, there will not be.